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    How-to open for a band

    Coincidence that I discovered this today, as I just agreed to open for a friend's band a few weeks. Any tips you guys would add?

    From AV Club...

    Eugene Mirman’s tips for opening bands



    While it’s hardly a guaranteed ticket to stardom, opening for a popular headlining act is a sweet gig: You get the same exposure, most of the perks, and a bigger cut of the door than you’d ever get on your own, and audience expectations are so low, there’s nowhere to go but up. Of course, not everyone knows how to behave as an opening act, which is why The A.V. Club asked comedian Eugene Mirman—who will be warming up crowds before Flight Of The Conchords on their current tour—how to make the most of reflected glory.
    Hanging out backstage
    Eugene Mirman: We have five different dressing rooms, and a place where we make people wait that we never plan on talking to. There’s a room for beer, and then another room with the glasses for the beer. It’s a real pain. There’s one room that’s antipasti, and another one for salad—which they unnecessarily distinguish. They put the hot stuff in one room, cold stuff in another. Imagine, like, a Papa Gino’s buffet spread throughout a castle, with really dim office lighting. And then there’s the fuck-room.
    The A.V. Club: What goes on in the fuck-room?
    EM: Piles of fucking. It’s basically just a lot of beanbag chairs with people fucking on them. It’s very uncomfortable. As the opening act, I have to help put it together.
    AVC: When trashing dressing rooms, do you start with the headliner’s?
    EM: Actually, usually the only thing in your dressing room is a sad, crappy couch, so it would just be depressing to make it even more crappy.
    Taking advantage of the rider
    EM: I have my own rider, but it’s easier to get it done if you put it on the headlining band’s. So that’s where I put the roller-skate shoes, crossbows, the saffron. I travel with my own wok, so I need lots of spices and oils. I always need fresh wasabi root. I have seafood flown in. The expensive stuff always goes on their rider when they’re not looking. Nobody’s going to get mad at Flight Of The Conchords for having $2,500 worth of saffron delivered.
    Getting groupies
    EM: Here’s a trick I learned long ago: Write your phone number in mirror-writing on their breasts while they’re distracted—say, by the chaos of fame—so when they go home and they’re washing their breasts in the sink, they’ll look up and go, “Holy shit, I have Eugene’s number.” This is also how I find love.
    AVC: Do you find that being an opening act makes you second-tier to groupies?
    EM: No, people want a piece of whatever they can get. But you also don’t want a lunatic, which is why I communicate by writing a message that can only be deduced in a mirror.
    Warming up the audience
    EM: It’s important to prepare them for the worst in life. People come to forget their problems, and it’s my job, right before I leave, to go, “Don’t forget: You’re going through a divorce and there’s a recession.” It’s always good to end on a pensive note.
    During the headliner
    EM: I’m usually off building stuff, cooking things, making to-do lists. It’s my quiet time to reflect. Otherwise, it’s just mayhem back there. All that free spaghetti.
    AVC: When is the right time to run back onstage for an impromptu duet?
    EM: Unfortunately, I don’t really sing, so the best I could do would be to run back out and light my arm on fire. The perfect time to do that would be right after the last encore. I like the idea of people milling about trying to leave, and then they see a man running back onstage screaming, with his arm on fire. That’s how you create an Internet hubbub. The blogosphere erupts, Facebook unfurls its claws, and people say, “Man, we should have stayed.”
    AVC: Do you look at being an opener as a game of one-upmanship?
    EM: I think of it more as a concerto, even though I don’t know what a concerto sounds like. It has movements, right? It’s like a delicious play, one that can be truly savored. I’m the soup and they’re the lamb’s leg. You can’t just go right to the lamb. You’d be like, “Whoa, this definitely needs some soup.” Lighting my arm on fire, that’s the crème brûlée. Basically, I’m a sorbet that you can’t get out of your head.



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    Re: How-to open for a band

    Just a wild guess, but I'm guessing that your situation is a lot less glamorous than opening for Flight of the Conchords.

    Opening for bands depends a lot on the type of band and their audience.

    Classic Rock Cover Band - Y'know whose funny? That Larry dude. You should do jokes like that feller.
    Alternative band - hey, bro, this guy's kinda funny. Wanna go do coke?
    Old man overly-serious blues band - this guy sucks, he doesn't do any 20-minute solos.
    Hip-hop - Congrats, you're about to hate yourself and all of humanity.
    Heavy metal - lots of fat guys with funny beards staring at you intimidatingly.
    Pensive female folk-rock - did you know everything you've ever thought was offensive? Well, it is. And sexist. Pig.

    When opening for bands, just try and make friends with the band or a member or two, stick to your guns and work your material to the best of your ability. You may not get any positive reaction, especially if none of the people coming for music knew about the comedy. Do your best and have fun and learn what you can.



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    Just a wild guess, but I'm guessing that your situation is a lot less glamorous than opening for Flight of the Conchords.
    Yahh, it's a good friend's band. They do indie/hip-hop sorta. There's quite a few band members, and they don't perform live too often, and I'm guessing they'll be quite a few friends of the band there = should be a nice crowd.



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    that's one way where i think we're lucky that we do musical comedy type stuff...it makes it a little less of a "stretch" for us to open for a "straight" musical act...but my theory is to just do your material, and fuck anyone who doesn't like it, you know?



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    Re: How-to open for a band

    Quote Originally Posted by FourandahalfInchesRaw View Post
    just do your material, and fuck anyone who doesn't like it, you know?
    I think it might be slightly MORE difficult to fuck someone who didn't find your act very funny...and I'm pretty certain, despite the vast differences in cultural norms, that rape is still illegal in Finland.

    Right, Phil?

    pg--Actual advice for comedians opening for bands below.--seattle

    1) If the band is big enough to have fans, recognize that those fans don't want to see you...they want to see the band. You, in their mind, are what is standing in the way of their getting what they want...so, don't expect a positive reaction and, for heaven's sake, don't go a moment longer than you have to--DON'T WASTE THEIR TIME...OR THEIR NOW MIS-TIMED BUZZ.

    2) You can acknowledge the fact that the audience isn't there to see you--but don't apologize for performing. They're not going to feel sympathy for you. If you don't make them laugh, then you've REALLY wasted their time (and their drugs) for no reason.

    3) If the band isn't big enough to have fans, then you've got as much of a chance of entertaining that audience as they will... However, remember that music fans are not used to shutting up and paying absolute attention to what's happening on stage--music can be enjoyed passively, while chatting up a girl at the bar or joking with friends...but comedy really can't.

    4) Sometimes, it just doesn't work. Don't let it bug you. Get what you can, get off, get paid...get on with your life.

    Good luck, Phil!



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    Quote Originally Posted by pg13 View Post
    .and I'm pretty certain, despite the vast differences in cultural norms, that rape is still illegal in Finland.

    Right, Phil?
    Finland, rape free since 2003!

    Quote Originally Posted by pg13 View Post
    Good luck, Phil!
    Thanks pg!!!



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    Most of my paid gigs have been opening for bands. I think the biggest key is to realize that most of the crowd doesn't care about you or what you are saying, and even when they do care, they don't express it like a normal comedy audience. You have to lower your expectations. In those situations, I'm really happy if I get 1/3 of the audience laughing. And even if people aren't laughing (or even smiling) that doesn't mean they aren't enjoying your act. There have been a few occasions where I've seen people sit stonefaced during my set, yet come up to tell me I was really good afterward. It's just a different vibe.



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    I think if people are booing you or not listening.... if the response is negative. It's important to not take it personally. Because it wouldn't matter if you actually are funny, sometimes the audience just looks at you as an obstacle of what they came for: Music. I know if I went to a music show and saw stand-up I'd be confused and a bit disappointed.

    I'm actually opening for a band next week at a venue where I got booed and threatened to get beat up. We'll see what happens this time....



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    I think this might be the place to mention it: what about having a band as a musical guest? I know this is popular in LA, but does it work? I host a local show and really want a band to close out the night, but I dunno if it's a good idea. Thoughts?



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    Re: How-to open for a band

    Quote Originally Posted by punkdc View Post
    I think this might be the place to mention it: what about having a band as a musical guest? I know this is popular in LA, but does it work? I host a local show and really want a band to close out the night, but I dunno if it's a good idea. Thoughts?
    It always goes over really well on my talk show. I have them play a song, sit for an interview, and close out the show with another song. I actually think the crowd likes going to a comedy show and seeing things mixed up a bit, a break from the normal comic-comic-comic-comic lineup.
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    Re: How-to open for a band

    Quote Originally Posted by punkdc View Post
    I think this might be the place to mention it: what about having a band as a musical guest? I know this is popular in LA, but does it work? I host a local show and really want a band to close out the night, but I dunno if it's a good idea. Thoughts?
    It can work on both ends of the show. Liam McEneaney (AST's justtookadump) usually has Brief View of the Hudson open Tell Your Friends! and it sets a great mood for the show. It also delays the start of the comedy and the stragglers get there before the comedy starts. Not ideal for the band, I suppose, but better for the comics.

    Drink at Work used to close their shows with a band - often Pela - and, because it was promoted as a comedy show even the crowd that was there for the band (usually a fair portion of the crowd, actually) was a good, respectful comedy audience and the tradition to music was seamless. The band felt like a great afterparty.



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    Quote Originally Posted by pg13 View Post
    and I'm pretty certain, despite the vast differences in cultural norms, that rape is still illegal in Finland.
    well, thanks for helping me check Finland off of the list of places I want to take my wife on vacation!



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    toughen up, do all your time no matter how bad it gets.

    95% of the crowd may be ignoring you. your job is to give the 5% the show of their life.

    no crowd work.

    Don't tell the crowd to shut up.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky_Sinister View Post
    no crowd work.
    I disagree with this.



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    Quote Originally Posted by FourandahalfInchesRaw View Post
    well, thanks for helping me check Finland off of the list of places I want to take my wife on vacation!
    Yeah, it sucks getting raped by random beautiful blonde Finnish women all day. Avoid Finland at all costs.



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    Re: How-to open for a band

    Quote Originally Posted by punkdc View Post
    I think this might be the place to mention it: what about having a band as a musical guest? I know this is popular in LA, but does it work? I host a local show and really want a band to close out the night, but I dunno if it's a good idea. Thoughts?
    It's weird I've incorporated sincere bands into comedy shows extremely often. It usually goes over really well. I feel like I usually only ever have them do 3-4 songs maximum. Which feels like a lot in a comedy show. As were at a music show isn't very much.



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    RE: Crowd Work

    I think you can never be sure.

    Crowd work works for some folks in certain situations as where the same performer may have trouble doing it at another show/venue. It's case by case. Do what feels right.

    Comedy is subjective, so just remember, just because some one is giving you advice doesn't mean it's right or wrong. You'll find out what works for you in the moment. We're constantly trying to figure it out and there is no sure answer of what works and what doesn't.



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    Re: How-to open for a band

    Quote Originally Posted by charlyneyi View Post
    Crowd work works for some folks in certain situations as where the same performer may have trouble doing it at another show/venue. It's case by case. Do what feels right.

    Comedy is subjective, so just remember, just because some one is giving you advice doesn't mean it's right or wrong. You'll find out what works for you in the moment. We're constantly trying to figure it out and there is no sure answer of what works and what doesn't.
    Now the world don't move to the beat of just one drum...
    What might be right for you might not be right for some.


    pg--They'll have theirs, you'll have yours and I'll have mine...and together we'll be fine.--seattle

    PS--Seriously good advice, actually, to know that even the best comedy advice can never be absolute for everyone, everywhere in every circumstance. You do your best and you learn.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameron View Post
    I disagree with this.

    I've never seen it work in front of a rock crowd. Ever. The comic asks someone a question, and the room is too loud for anyone, usually even the comic, to hear the response. Also, no one can see who is upfront, as opposed to the comedy club, you can often see who's sitting in the front row.



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    Careful, he might pop another four word response on you THEN WHAT



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