And yes, it should be less difficult to convince a heterosexual male not to fuck a fat sweaty guy for money.
Formerly an enigmatic Irish woman. Don't ask.
I don't think Peggy Olson is off the show. Peggy leaving is not Sal leaving, or even Kinsey being left behind after the formation of SCDP. From the very first episode her fate has been 100% tied to Don Draper's, and they can't just have her walk out of the office without following up. I'm sure we'll see substantially less of her from now on, but I'm hoping it will be like Betty from Seasons 1-3 to 4-5. Still an integral part of the show, just not so much in the "inner circle" of every episode. We've seen into the Chaogh (I'll never spell that right) offices once or twice before (Smitty works there, remember?) -- I'm hoping her departure from SCDP will be universe expansion for the show and we'll continue to track Peggy's path as a character. And I'm going to keep (deluding myself into?) believing this until Matthew Weiner explicitly says otherwise.
(Peggy has always been my favorite character, I may be in denial)
Let's all not worry about Peggy. There's only two more episodes this season. I'm sure they have something awesome in mind for her next season. They have a lot to wrap up with Betty and also all those death/suicide foreshadowings.
Of course, but those were the times. It was like that everywhere, in all companies. Joan isn't the unusual one, Peggy is.
Every time they chat in that quiet little middle room, it's worlds-colliding awesome.
Peggy, on the other hand, was able to see that her own self-respect as a woman should be worth more to her than security or pleasing the men in her life. Note that when Peggy quits, she says to Don "There is no number," meaning, she can't be owned- She's not a Jaguar. Joan, in turn, allowed herself to become an object.
That's really why I have loved this show and this season specifically: because everyone's story-lines are so tightly held together by theme that its like only one great narrative. Hard to do with a television show.
The mechanics of the whole arrangement were pretty contrived, which is unusual for Mad Men. But it was so fucking compelling and emotionally charged that I didn't bog down in the fact that the whole thing felt unrealistic, even for 1966. (The unrealistic elements being: the car guy having the balls to ask, point blank; Pete having the nerve to approach Joan about it; the partners seriously discussing it even for a second, never mind tacitly approving it; Joan deciding she'd do it. This isn't to say something like this never happened, it's just to say that putting it on screen highlights how unbelievable a situation it would be if it did happen in real life.)
Lane's character is an interesting one because, unlike most of the firm - who lack sufficient standards to fail at living up to them - Lane actually HAS standards, knows what is right and fails again and again. He is still a monster for his willingness to sacrifice Joan to cover up his crime. And Joan is going to be the one who catches him, too. If she doesn't ask Don what the check to Lane for $8,000 was in the next episode, I'll eat my hat.*
* I don't wear a hat.
I'm not trying to say everything's peachy keen for women (or minorities) these days. Like davidd says, Smartbunny seems to think Mad Men should be a parable that conforms to our "progressive" views, but it's a drama about what things were actually like. (That's what I was trying to say.)
Okay, then I guess I don't understand something about your point about people acting immorally bringing down companies. (That's not sarcasm. Genuinely asking.)
I'm sorry, Smartbunny I wasn't trying to be a dick- I guess I just wasn't sure what point you were making. Like I wasn't sure whether you were saying that it shouldn't have been written that way because it was sexist, or just that the way Joan as a person acted was anti-woman.
Interesting perspective on Joan's decision: http://www.vulture.com/2012/05/that.html
i can also see, in 1966 in joan's world, why she'd consider it and why she'd do it. she will have infinitely more independence from this move than 1) staying married to a rapist, or 2) taking money from her baby's father. i actually believe that that is an empowered decision to make, but then i believe that vaginas are delicate flowers that need to be protected. on a person's own terms, they can do what they want with their body. the grey area in joan's case, for me, is the degree to which any of that was consensual on her part. and, again for me, her decision to stay with greg after he raped her is 10 billion times worse than her decision to sleep with the jaguar guy for a partnership in a firm.
but go ahead and question my moral compass in an unnecessary and completely uninformed personal attack. that's what we do here, right? i'm so eager to hear a man tell me i'm a terrible person for not using my body the way he expects me to. do go on.
Lane commits suicide by the end of the season.
Hey, check me out. I'm a ghost.
Joan's Epic Moral Moment, GQ interview with Christina Hendricks.
I bet some asshole will come along and link to the same article, but I linked it first.
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GQ Interview with Christina Hendricks about the episode.
edit: damn you, Darryl.