The Dark Knight Rises

[pixel revolt]

You said some pretty critical things and bit back and accused people with more posituve opinions of having "blind faith". That's not the mutual informative fan discourse you are describing in your last few posts, so keep that in mind. Maybe going forward you plan on being a 24 year fan who just wants to chat Batman but that wasn't the character you were playing earlier and I'm sure the replies you'll get will be a lot different once the new more level headed Batman fan character begins. Is that a reasonable synopsis of past events? Can we move on?

Personally, I am of the camp that the comics already exist and they are already there for people to enjoy. An adaptation needs to find an essence of a story or character and explore areas of it that have yet to be explored. I trust that the visceral essence of Bane and his thematic relationship to Batman can still exist even if he has a different accent or justification for his appearance/wardrobe. I also like the idea of making against-type choices. A dude blows up a stadium and murders people in front of an arena- that is already so loaded. It is interesting that he may have this weak, intellectual/British accent behind all that mass. Ledger already created a creepy voice, maybe Hardy wanted to try a more human/against-type vocal choice.

[Travesty.]

I feel like I've spoken to the differences more than you have at this point. You've pointed them out, but what's the implication? Yes, he's been South African - but why, and does it matter? I don't know but you might.

Why does it matter? If you read Vengeance of Bane(you can get it pretty cheap on Amazon, I would Imagine. I've had mine since '95, I think), it shows Bane's origin, of where he came from, and how he grew up. Basically, Bane's father was comitted to life in prison, escaped, so the government ordered that Bane serve his fathers crimes. Bane grew up in prison on a fictional island called Pena Dura, which is supposed to be in South America. This is where Bane learned how to fight, and since he's also extremely intelligent, learned many languages, and had a pretty good education. He had a bear he kept, and named it Osito(which was an easter egg in the Batman Arkham Asylum game). While in prison, he earned his ranks through prison, and became the ruler(king) of Pena Dura. He then later became a test subject for Venom, which goes straight to his brain, and makes him extremely strong.

Basically, every incarnation has had Bane have a South American accent, because that's his origin. That's where he's always been from. It would be like if the next Bond movie, they made him have a American accent. It does nothing for the character, and is only changing things for the sake of change. There is no need to do so.

[Travesty.]

You said some pretty critical things and bit back and accused people with more posituve opinions of having "blind faith". That's not the mutual informative fan discourse you are describing in your last few posts, so keep that in mind.

No, it wasn't, but neither was saying that the sub titles in the youtube video was going to "ruin" the movie. I get his point, that it's just a youtube video, but if he's going to easily dismiss my opinion when I just showed what he'll sound like, then I can dismiss his snarky remark.

[aenemaTron]

changing things for the sake of change. There is no need to do so.

Well, as far as you know. But we don't know anything yet. Maybe there is a good reason to change it - like, say, that origin story is a little dumb and there's no earthly reason why it has to be in South America anyway. (Also, I thought you said South Africa before, which is why I sound dumb about that.)

[Travesty.]

Well, as far as you know. But we don't know anything yet. Maybe there is a good reason to change it - like, say, that origin story is a little dumb and there's no earthly reason why it has to be in South America anyway. (Also, I thought you said South Africa before, which is why I sound dumb about that.)

Yes, I know, but like I said already, I'm just commenting on the info we have right now. And I know I may like the finished product, cause I've liked all of Nolan's Batman movies, but now you know where my opinion has derived from.....

[pixel revolt]

No, it wasn't, but neither was saying that the sub titles in the youtube video was going to "ruin" the movie. I get his point, that it's just a youtube video, but if he's going to easily dismiss my opinion when I just showed what he'll sound like, then I can dismiss his snarky remark.

Yeah, it is unfair but if you stick around an argument long enough to reveal yourself as a reasonable person you open yourself to a higher standard. If you say whatever crazy, sarcastic thing you think of in that moment then never get real you are afforded the luxury of being a crazy, sarcastic random person.

[Travesty.]

Yeah, it is unfair but if you stick around an argument long enough to reveal yourself as a reasonable person you open yourself to a higher standard. If you say whatever crazy, sarcastic thing you think of in that moment then never get real you are afforded the luxury of being a crazy, sarcastic random person.

Well, it should be a case by case basis. I didn't do it to aenematron, because he was asking actual question, so I fleshed out an actual response. He doesn't side with me, or have the same view points that I do, but he didn't just dismiss me with a sarcastic sentence.

But anyways, like I said, I debate/talk about Batman everyday on Batman related forums. I'll just stick to those for my Bat-talks.

[Harry B]

No, it wasn't, but neither was saying that the sub titles in the youtube video was going to "ruin" the movie. I get his point, that it's just a youtube video, but if he's going to easily dismiss my opinion when I just showed what he'll sound like, then I can dismiss his snarky remark.

I was kidding you twit. I don't care if Bane has a lisp.

[Travesty.]

I was kidding you twit. I don't care if Bane has a lisp.

Of course you don't care, why else would you be so overtly sarcastic, you twit?

[StrangeLight]

you guys, he clearly put the tickets inside the box.

[MikeDinosaur]

Basically, every incarnation has had Bane have a South American accent, because that's his origin. That's where he's always been from. It would be like if the next Bond movie, they made him have a American accent. It does nothing for the character, and is only changing things for the sake of change.

Uh, what if British guy Tom Hardy was the best actor for the role, and he'd give his least awkward performance in a British accent? I think that's a great reason to change his origin. It's Bane, not Hamlet--only, oh yeah, they do stagings of Hamlet in different settings all the time. People's dedication to these meaningless details seems to rise in inverse proportion to the quality of the work containing those details.

[Berliner]

Wait, where's there even information that Bane won't have a South American accent? That football stadium thing? That's clearly going to be ADR'd later.

[Alex Mac]

I doubt there's going to be a White Shark or apartheid subplot.

I guess you haven't heard about the blood diamond plot yet. Some of them are the size of tangerines!

[aenemaTron]

Ya gotta admit, I lucked out with that mistake. South America is a much bigger place and doesn't have only two things that I know about it. Wait... Danny Glover said they have "shitty" accents, and then there's the krugerand, right? Four things.

I don't know why they didn't cast someone from Gotham City as Batman. Can't fake that Gotham accent. I mean, Wales, that sounds like part of my pants, not a place.

Wait, where's there even information that Bane won't have a South American accent? That football stadium thing? That's clearly going to be ADR'd later.

I already said as much, buttman.

[Travesty.]

I guess you haven't heard about the blood diamond plot yet. Some of them are the size of tangerines!

[Travesty.]

Wait, where's there even information that Bane won't have a South American accent? That football stadium thing? That's clearly going to be ADR'd later.

Like I've already said, the set reports have said that Hardy sounds like an older British guy who is gasping for breath. This was told to us about a week before the football scene. I just linked that, because that's all I have to show you guys how he sounds. Yes, that scene will probably be touched up with dubs in post, but that is the direction he is going with his voice. If I had video/audio of scene where he is tearing up a pic of Harvey Dent, I would post it, but I don't, and that was the first set report of him sounding the way he does......

[P-Dub]

http://forums.superherohype.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7

[Keith Whitener]

Looks like this thread has its very own Jenny. Maybe soon we'll be reading a communist version of Dark Knight!

[Harry B]

Did Beavis and Butthead leak that video?

"Heh, I sat on my chips. Heh, heh, no, you look at my smoking hole."

[P-Dub]

Seriously. There's probably a shot or two that got ruined because of two snickering dickheads.