Tron, the descriptivists are on line one and they'd like a word.
I think the point of Batman saying he was a symbol and anyone could be him was supposed to be heavy-handed setup for Blake taking over at the end. He wasn't saying he wanted tons of people in hockey pads running around Gotham.
Last edited by ImAScooby; July 26, 2012 at 5:26 PM. Reason: realized the cowl convo was finished.
I obviously have nothing interesting to add to this conversation.
You caught Nolan & Batman!
THEN TOM LENNON SHOWS UP AS THE DOCTOR!
things that threw me off from the movie:
morgan freeman's really long smile and stare when he tells bruce he's got a new toy before he says wanna see it?
multiple scenes where an extra was making a funny face
batman's lisp (throughout the entire trilogy)
bane's sean connery impersonation - I kept hearing, "...Trebek" after every line
Batman: Season 2, Episode 35 The Contaminated Cowl (4 Jan. 1967)
cowl story, bro
No one is wrong to like something, but sometimes people give bullshit reasons because they're confused, or lying, or not smart. I watched Batman Begins 2 Batman Begin Again Finnegan Begin Again last night and there were a ton of things in it that either didn't make sense or were just not good, but I still think Heath Ledger's performance is brilliant- equal parts very funny and very scary and that has never been done as far as I know. I think the entire thing more or less works, but there are a lot of things wrong with it-
-The voice of the talkative guy in the opening heist, and his dialogue. "Where did you learn to count?" is only just tolerable because in a comic book you'd have to stare at the words until you just closed the book in disgust. In a movie you're too excited to see what happens with William Fichtner.
-Dent and Dawes talking about RICO as if no one's heard of it or considered it as a legal tool to use against organized crime.
-This applies to any of the Batmans and people's references to "plot holes" - It's easy to get caught up in a plot that seems to hinge on coincidences, chance or a character predicting events down to a fantastical precision, but then again you can always consider that there may have been back-up plans and this is just how it worked out. The movie doesn't necessarily mean to present what happened as "the plan going exactly right." I could list almost everything the Joker does as an example of A) things going exactly how he expects or B) things going well enough but could have gone any number of ways and still looked pretty diabolical. I usually think of the anthropic principle (the universe appears designed to allow us to exist in it, but universes that do not allow us to exist are not observed in the first place), which isn't really applicable but what I mean is, this is the way it went, and it might not have, but which do you want to see in a movie?
-Still, why did Gordon fake his own death? He was never named as a target and there's no reason I can think of that he had to have been the one who jumped out in riot gear and held a gun on the Joker. No wonder his wife left him.
-What exactly did the Joker do to Gambol? He had a knife to his mouth, then the guy falls over presumably dead.
Well, I am sure that was a waste of time but I'm just saying, you can say all kinds of reasonable things about what's wrong with a movie but still really like it.
I am beginning to realize, now that someone has a hilarious and not pathetic vendetta against me for god knows what reason, that the negative vote maneuver is a great way for someone to send you a secret message that you think is going to be a compliment but then turns out to be "fuck you." So, well done, sad coward.
Oh, you already did?
And the opening heist and ferries scenes in TDK are more ridiculous than any implausibility in Rises. I thought the new movie was a ton of fun despite its own problems.
How do you still get negative votes?
I liked the movie, by the way. Somewhere in the middle came the point where I was able to just sit back and go: "Oh hey, this is cool."
Been avoiding this thread until I saw the movie ...
Somebody in here has the communication skills of an office temp with hemorrhoids (and a room-temperature IQ).
I thought the movie was fine. I get a lot of the complaints here (the football scene was particularly stupid), but I thought it was more entertaining than not. It may be worth mentioning that I did not expect this to be the most intelligent movie ever made, just entertaining. Some pretty ham-handed plot devices that would have annoyed me more had I not been watching a movie.
By reading this thread I have finally come to realize how much better Jaws would have been had Quint just dropped a depth charge on that big fucker.
And if you think this movie was pushing a clear right-wing agenda, your grasp on political theory is as subtle as you are charming.
I like that "hemorrhoids?" was the post that sent someone over the edge.
Enjoy your descent into madness.