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I listened to the Eddie Pepitone episode again today and I shit you not I was actually gardening (planting pots) on my porch when they started doing the bit about the guy gardening and listening to the show on big speakers outside.
"Margaret! Really crank it when Glass does the lead-in to the songs! I just love it!" - Eddie as the gardener
It was quite the kawinkie-dink. Todd also gets it right every time he's whispering before the show starts that I am smiling and have brown hair. Love this show
Besides marriage in most states?Originally Posted by Bridget O'Solace
Marraige is not an ability, it's an artificial social construct.
The ability to move from point A to point B without assistance is not analogous the right to visit your loved one in the emergency room, sorry. Gay people aren't disabled just because they can't get married.
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I just realized that Andrew Furtado is also on the Jim jefferies podcast. On Todd's show he's called sensitive and on Jim's show he's called Farside. I guess he's very susceptible to nicknames.
Sorry for the double post. In reading some of the posts made in this thread recently, I'm starting to realize that sometimes I give Todd a pass for his reactions to things just because he's a sensitive person. That's not a terrible thing to do, but still, what I'm saying is that Todd does seem to want to belittle people when they disagree with him. And Paul also seemed to say things that I thought were silly. When he said the word "lame" is offensive (in so many words) I thought he was really pushing it. And I also kind of disagree with him that it is a bad thingfor people to sometimes talk about how a guy isn't acting manly. All I'm saying is that calling someone a faggot I think should be stopped, but affectionately calling someone a pussy does not have to be eliminated. In a weird way, this attempt to to change language seems like a control freak
Yeah. I mean, if we can't call people faggots, we should at least be able to call them pussies, right? I mean, what's next?
There's a very serious discussion to be had about the role of masculinity in our culture, and *why* it's considered taboo for a male or female to "act like" a person of the opposite gender. The fact that we have a word to identify the situation is separate from the cultural need to point it out, though.
Sure, you can get rid of the word "Gay", but there will still be words like "Butch" and "Tomboy." Getting rid of the word doesn't erase the social stigma.
It makes me think of a "black" person trying to fight against the term "black" in favor of "African America." Really? That's the battle you chose? Good for you, I suppose.
(and to be clear, this isn't meant to condone the use of these terms in the pejorative)
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Very serious episode.
Personally I don't support gay marriage. That said I also don't support straight marriage. All the defenses of bans on gay marriage rely on the "sanctity of marriage" or some argument based on tradition. The second argument can defend any vicious conservative view, and the first one relies on a religious tradition.
If there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, how can marriage and its corresponding benefits be a legal governmental process?
They should eliminate traditional marriage as a governmental procedure and just extend the rights granted by civil unions both gay and straight couples.
His point wasn't that the word lame was inherently offensive, at least not as I understood it. Rather that it's silly to argue with anyone over finding something offensive and easier to just not do it. He recently heard someone say they found the word lame offensive. So now he doesn't use it and therefore doesn't have to worry about anyone being offended by it. It's an easy move to make. Easier than arguing with someone who finds the word lame offensive about why they shouldn't think something that they do. I agree. I don't think he was equating the use of the word lame with the use of the word gay. If he was, then I disagree.
In fact, in this particular case, if anyone is being offensive or politically incorrect it's probably the people still saying that someone has a "lame leg" since the term lame has always meant defective. In reality I think both sides are fine but agree it's harmless to just not use the term if there are people out there who are bothered by it.
I'm not sure I remember specifically what you are talking about. Are you talking about what they were saying about guys on the football team being made fun of for wanting to get into art or drama or whatever? If so then yes, it should be eliminated. It hurts people's self esteem, it lends itself to cliquish behavior, and it stops people from doing things they enjoy on some scale. Obviously it's not an entirely blanket statement. Todd has commented a couple of times on the show about how he is glad that since coming out his friends have made jokes about it and not been at all uncomfortable. The same goes here. Assuming your friend knows you're really proud that he's doing what he wants and taking dance classes then those jokes can be fine. And I don't meant knows as in "ah, I'm just fucking with you," I mean knows in the sense that you've made it abundantly clear. But 90% of the time that isn't the case. Especially, as Todd says, among younger people.
I've always said that gay marriage should be legal (and just called marriage, it's the same thing) and it should be up to individual churches to decide their stances on it. Obviously in an ideal world I'd like every church to support it but I'd settle for people just wising up and avoiding the churches that don't. I understand religious people not getting behind gay marriage, there's nothing progressive about following the same rules for thousands of years. I don't understand government not getting behind it (I mean that theoretically of course, in practice I understand since the church and state aren't really all that separated, unfortunately).
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I'm curious if Todd would defend hid use of the word Cunt, whore, and bitch. And how about when he makes fun of messy people and people that don't return emails quickly.
Are you really trying to compare being disorganized to being gay or black? That really seems like the ultimate end of the "If we can't say _____ what about _____?" spectrum. I have to assume that isn't what you're saying and I just don't get what you mean.
Last edited by jkwall; March 15, 2012 at 2:14 AM. Reason: Fuck the rest of it.
oh brother
I haven't yet read all of your post, but before I say anything, I just want to make it clear that my tone is strictly one of curiosity, not one of argumentativeness (if that is even a word). Anyway, my point about specifically the words Cunt and bitch are that they could be seen as slurs toward women in a similar way that fag is a slur toward gay people. As a male, if you call me a cunt or a bitch, I might see it as an act of aggression or an attempt at immasculating me, but it's not going to hurt nearly as much as it might hurt women.
some of y'all are stupid motherfuckers.
Here's my 2 cents on the ablest "lame" deal: I think that is overly sensitive because I'd venture to guess if you say "Man, this party is lame" to 99.9% of anybody in the english speaking world, they don't picture a guy with a bum knee (OH "bum", how offensive to homeless people) and a cane hobbling down the street. We simply don't use that term to degrade or categorize people who are differently abled anymore. I think it's been a couple (if not a few) generations since that term has truly meant that. That said, I think every word is it's own and has it's own history, so my argument isn't for all potentially offensive words
The word retarded is a different story for me PERSONALLY, because I worked in a hospital setting for quite awhile and that term is thrown around quite liberally as a professional medical term (mentally retarded is still widely accepted in the medical community), so I'd just say it whenever. Then I had a friend pull me aside after I had casually used it in conversation and he said "Hey, my sister is physically and developmentally disabled and I've seen her have her feelings hurt by somebody using that term, so it kind of hurts my feelings when I hear someone say it." So, based on my respect for my friend and his grace in pulling me aside and telling me that rather than "calling me out" in front of people, not to mention the sad thought of a young handicapped girl having her feelings hurt... i've completely abandoned the word (other than in a debate situation). All that aside, it doesn't bother me when other people say it, unless it's in a completely malicious way.
ANYWAY, I fully support Todd having a Friday funny show and a Monday serious show. Or a daily show? I'd co-sign that as well.
Yeah, I had removed that part of my pst while you were replying because I see where you were coming from with that more than the latter half and don't want to seem like I'm fighting. You have a point in that slurs are slurs, I just think it's a different category.
Why eliminate the word 'nigger' when I'm just going to use 'porch monkey' instead?
CLEARLY THAT WORD NEEDS TO EXIST OR IT WOULDN'T EXIST. (<-- This is a stupid, stupid argument)
It's total bullshit to use the term 'eliminate a word' in the first place. No one's talking about throwing words into space until no one remembers them, they're talking about being a more decent human being and not using them as much.
And Crowbar, I believe they addressed the 'Well, other people have done it, why can't I?' argument. The question to ask yourself is why YOU need to use it.
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