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update: Wiener boyfriends band is bad.
Holy balls I like this show. Pilot, not so much. Everything else, yes.
update: Wiener boyfriends band is bad.
Last edited by sparklepicnic; May 11, 2012 at 1:53 AM. Reason: update
I gotta say, after that first, shaky scene involving SATC, Mamet's daughter is really winning me over. I think you guys were too harsh on her. I expect a written apology.
I still don't like the character. Nothing against Zosia.
ok when this season is over i need to have a mini-movie of all of hanna's scenes with adam. even if i have to make it myself.
"put your shit down. put it down. that's not what this is."
THAT...was fucking HILARIOUS. Adam is amazing.
Hannah trying to crush the box was one of the funniest nothing things ever. This show is gold.
I wish this was an animated gif, isoS!
We'll just take the fact that this was too long and that you didn't read it...as read.
Post a GIF of the scene where Devin makes Leila masturbate on webcam with her retainer case while calling him the N word. It was uncomfortably awesome.
It was also awesomely uncomfortable!
My love for this show continues to increase episodically.
I thought this was about Don Dimelo?
I just had my "Donnie Darko" moment with "Girls".
To explain. I love information about the things I love. I'll watch "Classic Albums" on VH1 Classic, I'll watch every "The Making Of..." bonus feature on a DVD, I'll even read the last chapter of a book I'm reading first so I can see how the threads come together and appreciate the foreshadowing. Yes, yes...I know, sometimes that spoils the drama...but I think I'm smart enough to compartmentalize my reactions versus my analysis.
I loved the movie "Donnie Darko" when it came out. Of course, it came out in a very turbulent time for me...I was in the salted wound phase of a long term relationship break-up...and I watched it with the girl who was dumping me (in the condo that I would soon be moving out of, etc. etc.) and both of us came away from the film emotionally drained. I hadn't known anything about the film going into watching it...and my head and my heart were trying feverishly to find some context for the general mindfuckery of the whole thing.
My ex then retired to what was our bedroom (as I was sleeping on the couch) while I watched the movie again, this time with the commentary on. And everything that was, in my first viewing, delightfully left open for interpretation...everything that resonated as brave artistic choices not needing explanation (which allowed those who watched it to fill in the missing pieces of the logic dinosaur DNA chain with their own frog DNA)...everything that was lyrical and resonant...WAS EXPLAINED AWAY AS POSSIBLY THE WORST AND MOST LINEAR EXPLANATIONS IN FRIGHTENINGLY DISHEARTENING DETAIL.
It was clear that instead of having made an incredible piece of art that could speak to people on many different levels, the film maker had actually failed to clearly present their artistic vision on the screen. And the "Director's Cut" of the film that came out years later proved it to me...
Sometimes, it isn't important to me to know that Dekkard is actually a replicant...or that Greedo shot first. Sometimes, too much information...especially the information that proves that the artist didn't mean for their art to mean whatever it meant to you...ruins things.
So, HBO's Girls then.
I have a comedian friend who is living in New York now, but he was part of the alt-comedy explosion of the previous decade here in Seattle...and he kind of looks like Adam from Girls. (Now, I have no idea if he forms a right triangle when he lies on his back and masturbates...I'm just talking about his face and his attitude being somewhat Adam reminiscent.) In looking for a picture of Adam to post on my friend's Facebook page to show him this resemblance, I ended up finding a bunch of articles being written about Girls. And I read them, because I've got time...and that's what I do.
The article from yesterday's Huffington Post talking about how Adam is this year's breakout tv villain included a slideshow of various tweets about Adam...showing me that people were missing the point that I'd held onto since the second episode...which is that we're not supposed to be identifying with these characters. That they're all horrible and making the worst choices--choices that only exist in the minds of those with no sense of consequences in their lives...the type of characters that can only exist in a fantasy world of a twenty something writer. I figured that there was a meta level to Girls...where there's an inherent mindfuck to the entire show and that you don't look for any sense of reality, you just ride it like a rollercoaster of "No way!" and "I can't believe that!"
And typically, I don't like shows that do that. Not a huge Curb fan, never watched an episode of Arrested Development or It's Always Sunny--I know, I know...heresy. I'm just not a huge fan of the comedy of embarrassment. But, since I got in on the Girls ground floor...I'm giving it a shot. Veep, too...I think I laugh more at Veep than I do at Girls...but I like the fact that I'm not sure exactly what Girls is trying to do...I like the fact that my interpretation is one of many that may be just as valid.
...until one of the articles I was reading today lead me to Lena's "Inside the Episode" videos on HBO.com. In these videos, she talks about each episode...where the ideas for certain scenes came from, what it was like to film certain scenes and what the motivations of the characters are in a given scene.
"What the motivations of the characters are in a given scene"--turns out to be completely at odds with my take on the series. (And since this is the show creator/writer/director/star saying, with the cudgel of authority, that's what they are...I can't even say "well, that's just one interpretation.")
All right--perhaps not "completely at odds"...I'm exaggerating to make this lengthy essay worthy of having been read (see my sig line for your more obvious criticisms)...but it takes away some of the magic when the person responsible for the art sees their art in a far more linear and restrictive way than it (through error, failure or osmosis) might deserve.
I'm still going to watch the show. I'm just not going to look for Lena's explanations of what it actually meant.
Instead, I'm going over to the AV Club to read BOTH of their Game of Thrones recaps. Somehow, simultaneously knowing and not knowing what I'm supposed to know and not know doesn't bother my enjoyment of watching that show...
We'll just take the fact that this was too long and that you didn't read it...as read.
Oh, boy. I read all of that, but please use tl;dr's in the future. Especially when half the post is about a completely different topic for little to no reason. I threw in some quotes to summarize some things that you're implying.
I don't know if you can't relate to it because of your demographic or if it's just your experience. I can relate to a lot of the relationships on this show. I've been stupid for as long as I've been alive, and I've made my share of bad decisions. Even if I'm smarter now, I can still point to character aspects or quirks that I've seen or experienced before.
"Young 20 somethings who have had their parents pay for everything are known for having an excellent sense of consequence in their lives." - pg13Originally Posted by pg13
Is it outlandish that she tried to have sex with her boss? Sure. Everything is exaggerated. It's not Mad Men, but then again Mad Men is about serious adults. Do you really find no sense of reality with anything here?
Also, calling Adam a villain completely misses the point of this show. I was annoyed when the avclub said that Michael Ginsburg was a villain in Mad Men because the show is clearly so much deeper than the hero/villain dynamic. I also read both of the GoT reviews, and I think I like the show better spoiled. I don't mind them at all.
"I dislike shows I haven't watched" - pg13
I've seen all but the first "inside girls" hbo shorts. Really, what did you disagree with so much? I'm honestly curious; they seem to be by the numbers and more summary than anything else.
TL;DR: Watch Arrested Development, seriously.
Last edited by Kon Darp; May 16, 2012 at 4:14 PM.
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Yeah I'm not reading either of those long-ass posts. I can tell they're just going to bum me out.
I just think that the show is diverging from the original tweets in really interesting ways.
"He's got a dick, why won't he talk about it?"
-Jimmy Pardo
kthanxbai
We'll just take the fact that this was too long and that you didn't read it...as read.
"Why yes, I do know black people!"
Anybody who "tl;dr"-s pg13 deserves a shiv to the neck.
I agree while i did not agree with all of his points he deserves to have his views heard. I mean this a thread about a new tv show, on a comedy message board if you have made it to page 8 you have enough time to read his post.
·'No, you're wrong Shmee. They're not bad people. They love me. They don't really mean it when they tell me to get kidnapped.'
I had to look up what "tl;dr" is. In the case of something like Ken Burns' Civil War can we say "tl;dw"?
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