Don't Trust the B---- in Apartment 23

[pollymaepry]

when brasky said "saying bitch not like saying the n-word" i said "remind me again, are you a white guy from florida?"

[BillBrasky]

Too late, I read your post already. Thanks for ignoring the content of my post and turning everything into an ad hominem attack, per usual.

Also thanks for telling me I'm not allowed to have an opinion about things or contribute to a discussion.

(And for not reading the part where I said 'I may be wrong about this')

[pollymaepry]

i didn't say that. i was emphasizing in a humorous fashion that it gives your opinion less relevence.

[BillBrasky]

What does me being from Florida have to do with anything? We're gonna turn this into a red state-blue state argument now?

You conveniently missed the part where I implied that men really shouldn't call women that word, and that it's a different situation since a woman created the show.

I'll toe the line and try not to have opinions about things I shouldn't in the future. Thanks for setting me straight.

[Bryan_]

Women can be misogynist, too. Saying otherwise is pure sexism.

[pollymaepry]

i didn't say that.

i didn't say that.

i never said that either.

good inferring out of thin air. i'm done, didn't wanna do this in the first place (why i edited in the first place).

[EliotHochberg]

Most shows make fun of the people in them in some way. And, most of those shows star and are cast with white men. I can understand why people who aren't white men might want to change that. Fair enough.

But if you can't have women who are being treated the way men are treated in sitcoms, then how can you have sitcoms with women as the stars?

[BillBrasky]

The woman who created this show is not only a woman, but also Indian, so the exact opposite of a white male in every way, if it helps matters any (probably not).
(Eliot is doing a better job of arguing this point than I am)

[Batman The Horse]

If Eliot thinks comparing dick and bitch are the same thing, then that's not glibness. That's dumb.

edit: This throw-away of a television show isn't really worth debating much more. Enjoy it, I guess?

Also, in your last reply you failed to read that I said I didn't really think you hate all women. Downshift my brutha.

[BillBrasky]

I don't really care that much, but I feel like people approach things context-free sometimes, like "Hey! This word offends me!" and shut down immediately to all other thought. When the movie "Whore" with Theresa Russell came out, were people like "Hey! You can't call a movie that! It implies ALL women are whores!" In my mind, there's a difference between just blanket calling a woman a B and implying that a particular character in a sitcom is exhibiting B-like behavior (as detailed in my previous post)

I guess I didn't realize that women felt that strongly about this word. I would never use it myself, but I don't equate it with the N-word or the F-word for homosexuals, where it has a long history of being a horrible, offensive word that has followed women around for centuries. In my experience, women in their 20s are always throwing it around like there's no tomorrow with each other these days (Probably a problem with our culture, true)

Edit: To be clear, I don't think the use of this word as it's used in this title is misogynist. Offensive, maybe.

[Keith Whitener]

I don't think we need gender specific insults because, one, calling someone "human garbage" is enough, and, two, the gender is irrelevant. I wanted to go with "human garbage" as number one because I really like using it, but I should be less judgy. That being said, if I'm gonna be judgy,imma go with "human garbage". Calling someone a "piece of shit" is also pretty good. "The P.O.S. Next Door" is just as good a title as the "B" next door, right? It's just not gender specific. "But how will we know that the P.O.S. is a woman?!" It doesn't matter that she's a woman, right? Would the show not work if the piece of shit was a guy? That's weird then! Are they making a lot of jokes about what it means to be a woman in America today? Then they'd probably do jokes about how it feels for a woman to be called a "bitch". It feels different for different women, so they can do more jokes!

[BillBrasky]

Eliot already made this point, but there really isn't another one-word word that they could use in the title that would convey what they're trying to convey and not be unwieldy and awkward. "Don't Trust the Very Not Nice Person in Apartment 23?" "Don't Trust the Woman of Morally Dubious Character in Apartment 23?" "Don't Trust The GIRL in Apartment 23" just sounds namby-pamby and wussified.

Using the word in this sense is equivalent to telling a guy he is "acting like an *sshole" (cue everyone's humorous comments about how I'm doing that right now). I don't think there's anything implied in its use (in THIS sense) that "Yes, I think ALL women in the world are like this".

[Couldn'tThinkOfaName]

When the title of a show is a full sentence, they've already lost the unwieldy and awkward fight. Girl would have been a perfectly fine substitute.

[jkwall]

Krysten Ritter's character is a bitch because she is "bitchy." Is this argument really a thing? I have heard thousands of people of both genders use the word and never once heard anyone say it was derogatory to women. I've heard them say it was derogatory, which it is, but not in a blanket way to women. It's called "The Bitch in Apartment 23" because one of the women in apartment 23 is a bitch, unlike the other woman in apartment 23 and unlike most of the other women out there. Again, that's derogatory to a woman not to women.

[BillBrasky]

Krysten Ritter's character is a bitch because she is "bitchy." Is this argument really a thing? I have heard thousands of people of both genders use the word and never once heard anyone say it was derogatory to women. I've heard them say it was derogatory, which it is, but not in a blanket way to women. It's called "The Bitch in Apartment 23" because one of the women in apartment 23 is a bitch, unlike the other woman in apartment 23 and unlike most of the other women out there. Again, that's derogatory to a woman not to women.

THANK YOU.

I came up with a good solution: "Don't Trust the Witch in Apartment 23".
Ritter's character is into Wicca and casts spells on everybody that she doesn't like.
An update of "Bewitched" for the 2010s.

[Junk]

I would watch BillBraskey's proposed revision. I have A couple of thoughts of my own...
I like calling women who are being assholes "assholes". This is not a gendered word. Everyone has an asshole. Everyone can be an asshole. "Don't Trust That Asshole" would be a great name for this show because as far as I understand it, everyone on this show is an asshole, including the "good" person. So it could come from any direction. I think the "B___" is particularly egregious because it is like a pasty on a nipple. That nipple is not as profane as it's near-but-not-quite coverage. "The Bitch in Apt. 23" would be far too hostile sounding, and no one would like it--it would be a naked confrontation with the inherent misanthropy (not just misogyny, which is also there) of the title. Like naming your show "Don't Trust This MotherFucker". "Bitch" is more hostile than "Dick". It's gender-specific. It's a dog. It's also slang in prison for someone who you fuck in the ass and who does your bidding. To call a woman or another man a bitch is to denigrate them in a whole lot of instances, so it's really problematic for a lot of people. In this way, the "B____" is necessary because if you say "B" then it rhymes with "23". If you say "Bitch" it doesn't. I would maybe watch this show if it was called "Don't Trust the Bitch in Apt. Twenty Thritch". But don't y'all think they just could've called it "Hornet's Nest" or some shit? I feel like the novelty of the clunker of a name is the main gambit they're using for viewers.

[Kon Darp]

Well, "C" also rhymes with "23." They had other options.

I'm not sure why "dick" is less hostile than "bitch." Your reasoning is goofy or misguided. If asshole is gender neutral because we all have assholes, then how is dick neutral? How is being equated to a dog worse than being equated with a fleshy appended? How is calling someone a dick not a denigration?

Empathy is not a competition. There are no equivalences, just similarities. Neither is worse or better, they are just different. If you are personally offended by the word usage, by all means speak up. If you're offended on behalf of someone else, it's a silly conversation.

I always found the title of the show "Son Of a Beach" to be incredibly offensive.

[isoS]

Regardless of how you feel about the title, the B word, the show, can we all agree that the cutesy theme song is the worst thing to happen to television since Manimal?

[Keith Whitener]

"Don't Trust that Asshole" sets the bar way to high, in my opinion. How could the show ever be as good as that name? I want to watch "Don't Trust that Asshole" now! Or "This Fuckin' Guy!" I'd watch that too.

[extrafacelol]

the word bitch: ast-approved