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About LinkBacksFor the record, I do think people should be free from criticism. Daniel Tosh, Mike Tyson, and Tucker Rape.
Let's all decide for each other what we're allowed to say and do.
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When did this become a thing that people were ok with? I'm talking about deciding what is fair game for comedians. Everything is fair game for comedians, unless you want to go back in time. If it isn't funny, people will not go to see it and it will vanish.
This is way too much discussion over this. Especially considering Tosh himself admitted he crossed the line and apologized.. Which I dont think was needed. Whats that quote? Comedians job is to find the line and cross it?
Hi, I'm a lady.One last thing before I go: not seeing any of AST's women saying what they thought of Tosh's witty repartee with the heckler lady. Just an interesting thing I noticed.
It wasn't witty. I don't think Tosh intended it to be legitimately threatening but it's totally possible she did feel threatened.
We still don't know what the actual joke was, do we? Other than what the blogger said? Generally the blanket statement of "rape is never ever funny" so thus no one should EVER make jokes about it makes me want to tear up my Bitch Magazine. And that's sad.
Man, between this and reading Song of Ice and Fire right now it's all rape all the time!!
A fart without context? Bitch you so crazy.There's nothing inherently funny about anything without context.
Originally Posted by diggedy
Patton Oswalt chimed in on twitter, and he is very upset with Tosh for being so harsh with a blogging heckler. I may be para-phrasing.
But seriously, he ran right into that shit-storm, it's quite a mess.
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Not nearly the shitstorm Carolla went through, especially from the comedy community, and he didn't even mention rape. Everyone's on Tosh's side here it seems. I honestly don't think he's been funny for awhile, he was probably trying out some new (bad) material, got heckled and responded in turn. Not saying Tosh was wrong but the response from other comedians, especially those that were SO offended by Carolla's comments has been interesting to say the least.
It was a fucking retort to a heckler. Not a social commentary. It might be my 4-am-and-my-baby's-awake mood, but I think this has gone far enough and some people are freaking out about a rape joke when they wouldn't freak out about a suicide bomber joke, a dead baby joke, a joke about ass cancer, jokes about a family who does an act on stage where they shit in each others mouths, etc. If someone had shit in your mouth as a child, you wouldn't find that joke funny at all. Not to minimize rape, but is it any worse than a dead baby? (what about someone raping a dead baby, amiright?)
Tosh apologized because he felt bad. Its his prerogative to do so if he feels like it, just like it was his prerogative to retort the way he did in the first place.
In short: it's all fine, and no one has the right to judge anyone elses character based on their reaction to the reaction of a comedian they may or may not find funny in the first place. And rape is a horrible thing, and no one is saying it's not. And tosh didn't really want that girl to get raped. So he may be inappropriate (which is pretty normal for comedians) but he's not a psychopath.
I hope this post makes sense. I'm sleepy.
Rapeity rape in your ass cancer.
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I've been trying to form words in my head that covered how I felt, but couldn't come up with the right ones. However, Crlygrl did it for me. Well said.
I don't have many problems with dead baby rape because they're not sentient and that rape wouldn't ruin their lives. My main objection would be that it's not hygienic.
I agree with people who say it's a gray area. A couple distinctions to keep in mind between rape and, say, a dead baby or terrorist bombing joke, is that rape/sexual assault is much more common than dead babies or terrorist bombings. Very few audience members would have first hand experience with either. We also live in a culture that, at times, glorifies sexual assault and male domination over/conquest of women (see movies, music). Many victims of rape are frustrated and exasperated as to how this culture affects them on a daily basis.
Comics absolutely have the right to push limits and experiment on stage. If they overstep, as i strongly feel Tosh did, they should receive that feedback, ideally not by heckling. The pain that audience members feel is real and should be respected. Rape will be more sensitive to more people than pretty much any other subject. Thus, i believe that greater care should be taken with rape comedy.
Carolla is a bigoted asshat though, I think people relish an opportunity to pile-on that particular kind of successful moron
As a stand up, Tosh is and has always been over the top offensive. And you know what? He has killed every time I've seen him. He tones his act way down for Tosh.0 and his comedy specials. His main mistake was being this negative at the Laugh Factory, where tourists come for a good time. No one would have ever heard of this story if he said this stuff at the Comedy Store, where negativity and offensive humor are the norm and tourists get scared off often.
My thought is this...that's his job. If someone doesn't like the job that I'm doing, I appreciate feedback, but you don't have to be an asshole about it. It's the same in any work situation.
("Dead Baby Rape" is my new band name)
"Many victims of rape are frustrated and exasperated as to how this culture affects them on a daily basis."
That's the sentiment which excites me more than it should on this topic. There appears to be a growing belief in this thing called "rape culture" which is indirectly responsible for actual rapes. This notion of "rape culture" appears to include jokes about rape. As an expert bullshit caller, I call bullshit on that notion.
If, as you say, victims of rape "are frustrated and exasperated as to how this culture affects them on a daily basis" the problem is that they have been convinced by this bullshit meme that rape jokes are a part of this violent culture which glorifies sexual assault when in fact they are not. You tell people: "look at all the anger and hate and insensitivity directed at you" and some people are going to be persuaded into believing exactly that bullshit, that a lot of things going on are anger and hate and insensitivity directed at them. It's fanning the flames of their fears.
I feel angry and hateful toward that idiotic fucking notion of "rape culture" because I'm sure that bullshit idea perpetuates a lot of the post traumatic stress in rape victims because it causes some of them to mistakenly take innocuous jokes as a further assault on them.
The truth can be a greater salve than fake sensitivity.
Also I would grow up frightened of pudding.
"Many victims of heckling are frustrated and exasperated as to how this culture affects them on a daily basis."
That's the sentiment which excites me more than it should on this topic. There appears to be a growing belief in this thing called "heckler culture" which is indirectly responsible for actual heckling. This notion of "heckler culture" appears to include heckles about rape. As an expert bullshit caller, I call bullshit on that notion.
If, as you say, victims of heckling "are frustrated and exasperated as to how this culture affects them on a daily basis" the problem is that they have been convinced by this bullshit meme that hecklers are a part of this violent culture which glorifies being over-sensitive about rape victims when in fact they are not. You tell people: "look at all the anger and hate and insensitivity directed at you" and some people are going to be persuaded into believing exactly that bullshit, that a lot of things going on are anger and hate and insensitivity directed at them. It's fanning the flames of their fears.
I feel angry and hateful toward that idiotic fucking notion of "heckler culture" because I'm sure that bullshit idea perpetuates a lot of the post traumatic stress in heckling victims because it causes some of them to mistakenly take innocuous heckles as a further assault on them.
The truth can be a greater salve than fake sensitivity.
I'm willing to bet more babies have died than people have been raped.
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