Well, this brings up a good point. Is it better for a show to remain exactly the way we like it, and risk alienating the majority of the populace, or for it to make concessions to being more mainstream-friendly and thus remain on the air longer? For example, Arrested Development Season 3 became very meta and inside-jokey and self-referencing to the point where even the fans had to admit it was getting to be a little much. Was it right for the show to end there? Does every show have to go 5-7 seasons like The Office and 30 Rock? Or is it better for the show to end while it's good instead of going on and on and ruining memories of what we liked about it in the first place?
I personally would not have a problem with Community ending at 3 seasons (especially since a community college technically speaking is a 2-year college. I mean, you can use your two-year community college degree to then go on to a four-year regular college, but who spends three years in community college?)
Other shows like Parks & Recreation seem to be doing a better job of appealing to normal, Nielsen family types as well as comedy nerds. They do a good job on that show of balancing the more obvious jokes with the more subtle stuff so that even my 60+ year old mom can watch that show and enjoy it. Whereas she hates 30 Rock and is fairly indifferent to Community, those shows are just too "busy" and demand too much attention for the average viewer to catch all the jokes.
I'm not entirely sure what my point here is, other than I am happy there is a show like "Community" on the air, but I feel like it could make more concessions to being not so out-there, so as to stay on the air longer, if that's what they really want. I feel like shows like P&R and Modern Family have shown it's possible to appeal to a wider audience while still making a show people here will enjoy watching, whereas with Community they are falling more into the "3rd season of Arrested Development" department a lot this season, like they know they're going to be cancelled soon and are just doing whatever they want now.
Dan Harmon addressed the community college thing during season 1 in some interview, look it up if you care (but it's basically what punkdc said)
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Community isn't that out there, I mean it's hardly Adult Swim territory is it? It features a diverse, and in some cases, very attractive cast, trading quips, overcoming problems, and then someone makes a speech at the end and everyone is happy. If that's too dark and weird for people then fuck 'em their a lost cause. I agree, this would be an odd place to start for someone, but then that's true of any series that doesn't completely reset at the end of the episode.
My 50 year old mother who loves Two and a Half Men and The Big Bang Theory also loves Community but she never heard of it until I said something about it, unlike the other two shows that she discovered naturally on her own. The problem with Community isn't that it is unattainable to normal people, it's that they never hear of it because they don't watch NBC because NBC is awful. If people would watch Community they would continue watching. Even most people my age (College) haven't even heard of Community.
I think a completely out-there episode like this one is okay once in a while.
And my brother is in his fourth year of Community College.
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I agree that the elements are in place for Community to be a more mainstream show. I thought they were going in that direction at the beginning of this season when the first few episodes revolved around Britta, Chang, John Goodman's character, etc. In the opening song in the first episode they sang "We're gonna try to not be so weird this season". But this episode took place in Abed's mind and it had two Annies and lots of special effects, it was pretty crazy. It was more like a science fiction show than a normal sitcom. For the fans it was a blast, but I would say it was closer to Adult Swim than most of everything else that aired on NBC last night.
Community is still pretty far away from German-accented aliens from Pluto who excrete poop-soap. It's not like every other sitcom, but that doesn't mean it's completely out there.
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This has already been said by others but my son will be starting his third year of community college.
Troy's line about being more turned on by women in pajamas than lingerie because he just wants to know they're comfortable is one of my favorite lines ever.
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I love Community. It's a smart comedy, with tons of meta jokes, which may be why it hasn't caught on with audiences but that's beside the point. It's going up against BBT (or in some cases, BBT reruns, which still draw a handful of people) and the still juggernaut that we call Idol.
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I'm a Community sometimes-skeptic, mostly-fan, and this was probably my favorite episode ever. In my opinion, this show does much better when it lets itself get as weird as possible, and sets itself apart from anything else on TV. There is nothing else like it, and that's a good thing. I don't think the writers should be concerned with staying on the air as long as possible, I'd much rather they concern themselves with making the best show possible.
I had become somewhat anti-Community before it came back because I was really annoyed with it bumping Parks & Rec (not that it was the shows fault and I admit this was not rational on my part) and I felt some of the fan hysteria on the Internets had gotten overblown. But over the past few weeks, I have noticed the episodes getting better and better. I think it's because Harmon et al know they have no control over what the general public watches and what network executives decide, but they can make this show exactly how they want it as long as they're on the air.
And I also agree with the opinion that has come up a few times recently in this thread that Chevy is dead weight on this show and it would be fine, probably better, without him.
this week's episode is great! directed by Rob Schrab (Sarah Silverman Program) and features Michael fucking Ironside! It's also a straight up Law & Order parody.
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Emmy submission episode, in my opinion.
I have loved this half of the season to bits and remember how not weird the first episode back was? I think it's been established that the rest of this season is gonna get deep into the weird-zone. Imagine the atmosphere of uncertainty that surrounded the production cycle of these episodes. I can't blame Harmon and the rest for having the attitude of "fuck it, I'm gonna make my show" and indeed that is why I personally like this show more than Parks and Rec (which I in turn like more than most any show).
Overall I would say that Community is one of my favorite shows on the air right now. However, of all the sitcoms I watch and enjoy, I would say it has the highest percentage of episodes that "miss" for me. Like with this last episode, I admired what they were doing and I sort of found myself standing outside the episode thinking, "Yeah, I should like this", but it wasn't really making me laugh so much. I guess I sort of admired the episode more than I really found it funny.
I had the same reaction to the alternate timelines episode at first, and then I grew to appreciate that one more with multiple viewings, so maybe this one will grow on me too.
There have been episodes this season I really liked a lot, the Civil War documentary one was a good recent example. Other times, like with the paintball stuff, they kind of lose me a little. The first paintball episode was all right, but the two-part one that ended last season I found really dull and not very funny at all. The blanket fort stuff this season is kind of the same way- it's really silly, and I can sort of see how it's supposed to be funny but it doesn't really do it for me, laugh-wise.
Whereas with P&R and Modern Family I often find myself admiring the craftwork that went into structuring each episode and the jokes so that everything flows and is funny, while still having characters that I care about and want to follow week to week. With Community, I think they fall back on relying on "this is a sitcom about a sitcom" a lot of times, which is clever but maybe a little tiring after a while. I seem to recall Jesse Thorn having some of these same complaints about Arrested Development S3- the show became so meta that the jokes became all about the show itself, instead of being a show about relationships, characters, etc.